Introduction
This sensor is particularly suitable for punctual
dynamic level measurements, and therefore for wave profiles.
This project is not new, but dates back to
the mid-70s, when I studied with Professor Becchi, tested and designed it in the laboratories of
Hydraulics of the University of Genoa. We also published the paper "A capacitive wave transducer for hydraulic measurements"
[1].
I used these probes for years in towing
tanks for the measurements of waves generated by the hull of the ship models. A
few years ago I used this probe to measure the waves generated by a catamaran
in the Lake Como, as shown in the following picture.
Operating principle
The probe can be represented as a thin
insulated conducting wire with a layer of non-stick material such as Teflon, as
seen in figure. A metal not isolated rod electrode serves as ground reference.
Because the not pure water is a conductor,
especially at high frequencies, the system can be modeled as a cylindrical
capacitor, whose capacity Cx is proportional to the part of the probe immersed
in the water.
To avoid problems caused by the reversal
of the meniscus, in correspondence with the change of the vertical motion of
the liquid, it is necessary to use a probe with a very small diameter. For
insulating liquids, the wire insulation is no longer essential but the ground
electrode must be closer to the probe.
But when it comes to practice, I realize that it is
not possible to seal the submerged end of the wire probe. After using special
glue, specific for the Teflon, it was found that after some time the water has infiltrated
into the probe. Furthermore the wire could not be too thin because it is not
maintained rigidly straight-lined.
So I used an archway frame which tended a double wire,
U shaped, returned at the submerged end by a small plastic pulley and a thin
wire, PTFE insulated, as that utilized for electrical wiring, as shown in the
following figure.
For what I remember of the many experiments that I
made together with a colleague, I had noticed that by exciting the probe with
positive signals, there were still residual charges on the thin film of water
on the wire, this phenomenon produces a hysteresis, i.e. a small difference
between the ascent and descent of the water on the insulated wire. For these
reason a unipolar excitation is not suitable for dynamic measurements, even at
low frequencies such as that of the waves.
In addition, also the frequency has great importance.
From these experiences I have designed the electronic circuits in order to
excite the probe with a bipolar signal at about 400 kHz.
The probe electronics
The probe electronics is mounted close to the end of
the wire, the scheme is shown in the following figure.
U1 is a 400 kHz astable oscillator and its output is
connected to the input of U2 that is configured as monostable multivibrator.
The width of output pulses is proportional to the probe capacity, so the output
is a PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) signal. The operational amplifier U3 has the
function to smooth the signal with a weak filtering. I used a 4-wire shielded
cable to connect it to the rest of the electronics. I used shielded cable with
a length up to 30 m without problems.
The R4 resistor value depends on probe capacity, the
indicated value (15k) is for a 30 cm probe.
The linearity of this system is very good, in my last
calibration, the correlation coefficient was 0.999992 with an error of about
0.5 %.
Components
used in the probe circuit
component
|
description
|
component
|
description
|
R1
|
26.7 kW ±1%
metal film
|
C1, C2
|
1 µF,25V tantalum electrolytic capacitor
|
R2
|
15 kW ±1%
metal film
|
C3, C4, C7, C8, C11
|
100 nF, 50V ceramic capacitors
|
R3
|
22 kW ±5%
|
C5
|
1 nF, 50V ceramic capacitors
|
R4
|
15 kW ±1%
metal film
|
C6
|
22 pF ceramic NPO or mica capacitor
|
R5
|
220 W ±5%
|
C9
|
330 pF polystyrene
or mylar capacitor
|
R6, R7
|
100 kW ±1%
metal film
|
C10
|
10 nF mylar
capacitor
|
U1, U2
|
Intersil ICM7555
timer IC
|
U3
|
LF13741, LM741,
TL081, op amp
|
This circuit was put in a cylindrical sealed case at
the lower end of which is connected the probe wire with a coaxial connector
(PL-259 female). On the upper end of tube there is a connector for the cable
that connects the transducer to the rest of the instrumentation.
This capacitive transducer is powered by a +/-5 V
supply, realized with common type regulators 7805/7905, as well as the main +/-
15V power supply that uses regulators 7815/7915.
The rest of electronic circuit is shown in the
following figure.
The transistor Q1 works as analog switch that settles the
PWM signal amplitude to a precise value. It is connected to a low-pass active filter
(U1), followed by a summing amplifier (U2B), to remove the offset (using Rp2),
then a power amplifier (U2A) with sufficient current to drive the galvanometers
of the paper recorders that were used in the 70s. The cutoff frequency of the second
order Sallen-Key filter is approximately 500 Hz. The output is bipolar +/-10V
or less, adjusted by gain potentiometer Rp1. The potentiometers Rp1 and Rp2 are
ten turns type for a better adjusting.
Some modification are now required to obtain a signal for
a system like Arduino, with an unipolar input 0-5V.
The following images show the arrangement of the probe components.
The following images show the arrangement of the probe components.
Bibliography
1)
"A
capacitive wave transducer for
hydraulic
measurements", Ignazio
Becchi, Giovanni Carrera, Hydraulik und
gewasserkunde, Technische
Universitat, Heft Nr.27 , pag.19 - Munchen 1978.
With reference to the circuit diagram. Can you explain why you have a pot Rp2 connected in paralel with another 50k pot between -15v and ground (0v) ?
ReplyDeleteYou can use the trimmer mounted on the board or, alternatively, a multi-turn potentiometer on the instrument panel. In the latter case you should not mount the trimmer.
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ReplyDeleteI worked in a model ocean lab for about 35 years, it went bankrupt during the great depression in 2008 .. The Offshore Model basin in Escondido, CA. USA. I often built small "Micro Oceans" over the years... and have been working on such a project for the last 4 years. (see YouTube under Micro Oceans - Random Sea) I managed to get the first wave probe we used in 1970 to work for the very small waves i make in the tank to illustrate simple ocean physics, and micro marine engineering with shore models, and floating structures. I would like to build your design .. I'm rather good with electronics... any chance you sell finished circuit boards?
Regards, Michael Lambert
Hello Michael,
ReplyDeleteI am happy to communicate with a person who has had similar experiences to me as a scientific researcher.
I am an electronic engineer but I have worked for more than 35 years in the Department of Ships Engineering in Genoa. For at least ten years I was taking measurements on board of ships, putting a Waverider buoy in the sea to measure sea keeping.
I designed the level probe to measure the waves in the naval tanks to see the behavior of the regular wave models produced by an wave generator. The measurement is precise but not perfectly punctual because the wires are two, but can be approached up to about 5 mm.
As for your question, many years ago a company has made a few dozen of these systems, but now I have only some prototypes. I can send you some pictures of the probe circuits so it can help you in the arrangement of the components.
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Deletesir can you also send me some pictures of the probe circuits, because i want to make your capasitive sensor, thank you, renoprakoso001@gmail.com
DeleteHi Reno,
DeleteI am convinced that the description on my post is completely exhaustive. As you may have seen from the comments, the probe has been successfully built and tested by other readers.
It is necessary to use the integrated circuits indicated in the parts list and a thin Teflon insulated wire for the probe.
Let me know if you have any problems.
Thanks for the reply sir,I have some problems hope you can give me a solution
Delete1. What type of thin wire and ptfe insulated that you use in this project?is it PTFE tube for the insulated or is it cable that usualy use in electrical installation ?
2. last pictures from your post (arrangement of the probe components) is it combine from 2 circuit above? i litle bit because the amount of component betwen schematic circuit and last image is different.
i little confuse for understand your post because my english is not too good,and although i am use google translate the language will be weird. Thank you :)
1) It is necessary to use a thin PTFE insulated wire, similar to those used for wire wrapping, the one I used had an external diameter (copper wire + insulator) of about 0.6 mm. The insulation must be water repellent so as not to retain a thin film of water.
Delete2) It is sufficient to build the probe (first diagram), it outputs an analog signal proportional to the immersed level of the probe.
The second circuit operates on the PWM of the probe, it is more performing and allows you to amplify the signal and remove the offset.
thanks for the answer sir, I have finished assembling the first circuit on the project board and have also made a probe using a 22awg cable type (the same type of cable used by Michael Lambert but different sizes) I used the Arduino Pin ADC to check if the voltage changes based on height water and the result is not so, the voltage is constantly changing even though the probe is not inserted into the water, do you have any solution of my problem?
DeleteThis is document of my test:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jfgHI0Va_Y_dbf8sp2RVCoHrKNupE1NK/view?usp=sharing
Hi again.. Thanks for the reply. Wonderful life working with science, electronics and the oceans. I noticed the pictures above the posts, they look rather good for showing circuit design. Methinks it would be fun to build it .. I'll give it a try and will credit you in the youtube video's I must make to show what you can do with a small model ocean ... now that it's finally working. I had to try several control systems, because the only linear actuator worthy of such a project is LinMot's magnetic linear motor. Unfortunately, by the time you have a working system using today's state-of-the-art automation equipment, you've built a machine that no museum or educational institution could afford. All my stuff (everything you see on youtube) came from eBay .. I'm using Dataq's analog acquisition system via USB for a PC .. which is quite awesome for low budget data analysis.. so the probe output must be a ±10 V .. and it is! .. I love how you were using galvanometers on chart paper .. those were the good ol' days. Thanks for your help..:-) Regards, lamboom@earthlink.net
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ReplyDeleteI'm studying electrical and electronics engineering. I have a project assignment. Measure the wave height at sea. Is this circuit appropriate?
and how can I show the measured values on the LCD? I would be glad if you help.
Hi Dogan.. This is probably the best circuit out there for measuring rapidly changing water height very accurately. I built it with awesome help form Giovanni when I mistakenly chose 555 chips that couldn't function in the 400khz range.
DeleteHere's a video of it working on a project of mine:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ckw_owrmVbQ
The output of the probe is a varying DC voltage as a function of water height. You will need a simple and inexpensive data acquisition system such as "DataQ" to present the wave data on a PC which is then available for analysis by LabView or similar.
Or any simple oscilloscope with "strip chart" feature will work...
Hi,I have to quantify the sea wave height in cm, in cm. and I have to show this measurement result in lcd.
DeleteBut I couldn't find a circuit like that. I don't know how to measure the sea wave height with capacitive measurement.
Dogan .... OK you want to use an LCD display to indicate wave height in centimeters. Look... The Giovanni circuit outputs the wave height in real time, continuously as a DC voltage .. always changing as a function of the water height. If you watched my video, you could see the actual measurement in real time. I can't imagine how an LCD system, measuring varying DC voltage, modified by a scaling adjustment, calibrated to display centimeters .. would be of any use... even if it worked perfectly. The readout would be changing quickly, and continuously, positive to negative, referenced to calm water ..the only time the readout was not changing.. and you would call that "zero". Your assignment is ridiculous, as I understand it.
DeletePerhaps you could design the LCD circuit to display "maximum" wave height (+VDC) or minimum wave height .. over a time period? Much like a digital temperature unit might do. But, that is of little value.
What is generally done is to input the changing DC signal into something like LabView .. which will process the wave form into digital data which it analyses for specific desired information... like maximum wave height, or wave height versus wave period ... which tells you something about the character of the ocean, which is scientifically useful when it comes to designing ships or boats that must perform well in that environment.
Perhaps, you really have no interest in measuring an ocean. And, what you really want is to measure water height using a capacitance probe. You are going to have to be much more specific as to what you really want to .. as far as I can tell, all of your questions have been answered... :-) Regards, Michael
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Hi Dogan,
ReplyDeleteI used this probe, modified to increase the range to 1 m on a lake, as you can see from the first figure. For the sea the waves are of greater amplitude and the measure is disturbed by the shallow sea bottom. I used wave buoys with a vertical accelerometer, integrated twice in the time domain.
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Amazing.. Giovanni presents a brilliant blog about a capacitance water height measuring system, and people post adds for alternatives. Welcome to the age of Trump!
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ReplyDeletehello sir i want to measure water level upto 12 inch.
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ReplyDeleteLevel sensors for submerging permanently in liquid to determine the level or depth of fluid by measuring the hydrostatic pressure. Choose a Submersible Hydrostatic Level Sensor for use with a liquid such as drinking water, freshwater, seawater, wastewater, chlorinated water, leachate, acids, alkaline. Select a IP68 waterproof sensor for installing in a underground storage tank, groundwater borehole or in a ships ballast tank.
ReplyDeleteMeasuring hydrostatic pressure may work well in a washing machine, but not the ocean or a wave tank. The Geovanni probe is sensitive to measurements of water level in fractions of a millimeter, instantly. sampling continuously in analog. not digital. In fact the hobbyist will find hydrostatic measuring units, made for washing machines, that are very inexpensive. Practically free .. :-)
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